Utopia?

The question of which world was more utopic stands out as the mos obvious area of discussion here. The difference is between whether a utopia is defined by people or by land. In one case Urras is the utopia, when utopia defines a possible paradise, as Annares is too rough an environment to contain a real utopia.

Basing a utopia on a world that is close to the worst possible world is perhaps the only way to begin a functioning human utopia, though. I wonder if the Annaresti would have been as successful as they were for a time in a more lush environment. I wonder to what extent the bounty of Urras led to te inequalities of their society. Also, the fact that Annares was full of hypocrisy while claiming to be a real utopia lowered it in my eyes.

Last, how much should I damn a society that was socially close to a utopia for a few structural faults. Compared to Urras, Annares was succeeding in treating all people alike.